SkiP HappEns Podcast
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Skip’s journey in radio began decades ago, and he has since evolved into a seasoned professional who effortlessly navigates the waves of the media industry. His deep knowledge of music, pop culture, and current events keeps his listeners engaged and coming back for more. Skip Clark's enthusiasm and authenticity make him a trusted voice in the world of podcasting and radio. His dedication to his craft and his commitment to providing quality content continue to make him a standout in the world of broadcasting.
SkiP HappEns Podcast
Uniting Through Music: Tiffany Woys on 'American Dreamer' and the Art of Podcasting
Tiffany Woys joins us to share her courageous journey behind her latest release, "American Dreamer," a song that aims to bridge divides during a politically charged time. Reflecting on the nostalgic days of civil political discourse, Tiffany opens up about her initial trepidations and the driving force of love and unity that pushed her to release this patriotic anthem. As we navigate through the songwriter's world, we uncover the transformative power of music to inspire civic engagement and foster a sense of national pride, transcending political barriers.
The episode takes a heartfelt turn as we discuss my personal evolution as a podcast host. Moving away from the rigid question-by-question format, I've embraced a more conversational style that invites deeper guest engagement and honest dialogues. With the shift to a professional studio setting in the second season of "What's Mine is Yours," the focus is on creating a warm, inviting space for our guests, ensuring their stories and insights are captured authentically. We tackle the common misconception that hosting a podcast is easy, sharing the learning curves and growth experiences along the way.
We wrap up with a candid look at the music industry's current landscape, particularly the surprising trend of cover songs overshadowing original works. This discussion highlights the industry's shift towards viral content at the expense of enduring musical quality and originality. We encourage listeners to actively support the artists they believe in, emphasizing the impact of informed voting and civic participation on shaping the future. With Tiffany's "American Dreamer" as our soundtrack, we champion a message of unity and pride in our shared identity as Americans.
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Hello everybody and welcome to another edition of Skip Happens. I know I bet you all think I left because it's been a couple of weeks since we've gone on with a podcast, but we're back at it now. Be honest with you, I was a little down and out and my guest, tiffany Wise, and I were just chatting about that and all the stuff that's going around. But I'm back at it now, feel great. And tonight I feel really super great because, no stranger to the Skip Happens podcast, we're talking about Tiffany Woys. Tiffany, how are you, my girl?
Speaker 2:how are you? I'm feeling good. How are you? Oh my.
Speaker 1:God, it's so good to see you.
Speaker 2:It is so good to see you.
Speaker 1:It's been a little bit. I get that. Wait a minute, let me do this. I want everybody to hear this. She's coming out with a brand new song. I'm going to give you a little taste of that before we get into a lot of deep conversation. Here we go.
Speaker 2:I believe we're a little more sane than we are different. I believe just a little more grace will do us good. Just a little more grace will do us good. I believe there's no place better than the place we're living in. So I believe all glory should fly in every neighborhood. This is still the land of the free. Sometimes I wonder why we Keep trying to tear it apart. We're only breaking her heart. While it's still mine and still yours, it's still worth standing up for. I'm still a one nation under God's name, american Dreamer, that's what believe American Dreamer?
Speaker 1:That's what it is, american Dreamer. And there she is, tiffany Wise, as we've already mentioned. But you know, wow, and you just dropped that song. It just came out right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we kind of just did like a surprise drop on it, just because we rushed it actually and I just realized as we were talking, I see I voted today, so I have my I voted sticker. I guess it's appropriate.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love it. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we kind of had to rush. It is I really wanted it out, leading into, I guess, in a sense capitalizing on, election season. Right, I think more than ever, this is the time for people to hear that kind of a message, especially just the way people are treating each other, based upon how they're voting which is just crazy to me.
Speaker 2:I've talked about it before. I remember my mom talking with her friends over breakfast or coffee and they would be talking about who they're voting for, but we were voting different, and then they just were like okay, and moving on, and then that was it, and now the hatred that's going on in our country is just so sad that I've been called to want to write something like this for a really long time, but arguably I've been really scared too, and which is all in itself crazy in my opinion, that my message is very unifying, and not red or blue, but red, white and blue right and so it just.
Speaker 2:But I was still scared. So that's kind of where we're at in America, which is sad, and that that made me even more encouraged to write it and put it out. So I wrote it in july with my co-writers and I was like, how fast can we get in the studio and turn this around? So I have, luckily, an incredible team and we turned it around really quickly and we released it in september wow, yeah, I know I got the call from you.
Speaker 1:Know the people that call me that rep you yeah like dude, you got to hear this song, we got to get it on. You need to talk to tiffany, and you know the people that call me that rep you. Yeah, like dude, you got to hear this song, we got to get it on. You need to talk to Tiffany. And you know, I said absolutely, let's do it. Now I get it, though I get the whole scared thing. Why do we all feel that way? It's? You know, I can't. You're right, there was a time where we could sit around a table and a conversation about nobody at the end of the day, policy is opinion based.
Speaker 2:Right some things?
Speaker 2:are going to blend better in other people's lives, and others are, and that's why we vote the way we vote, and so it's just, it's interesting, and I want to say thank you, too for supporting it and having me on to even talk about it, because I will say, obviously I would never name names, but there are, you know, similar stations that have supported me before that won't, won't play this song, and they've said we just we won't even touch anything. That isn't feels even remotely political, and that's why I feel this isn't political though this is patriotic. So but that's what's crazy is, I watched a video the other day because I'm very interested in politics, regardless, because I majored in it. I majored in political science, but I just saw a video the other day where they said we don't know when it happened, but patriotism has become political, and that, to me, is like what?
Speaker 1:That's like no, it's just so crazy it is.
Speaker 2:And this song, more than ever right now, like I've seen it connect with so many people in just a short amount of time and it's just something that people. I just think it's a message that is just so important to hear because of how divided we really have become and, at the end of the day, are all americans, and that's something to relate on, and we should be proud to be an american and take care of our country, and that starts with loving one another yeah, you know you're 100, correct, tiffany?
Speaker 1:look at her she really just wants to be in there she's proud to be an american kitty too, you know she loves her mama, so that that's the cool thing. What? What's her name, by the way?
Speaker 2:This one's Belle.
Speaker 1:Belle, that's right. You have more than one, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2:I have two, cinderella and Belle. Cinderella is not as I think, as Cinderella is over on the couch. Well, actually, she's actually on the chair behind me but maybe she's just a little bit more camera shy Belle not so much.
Speaker 1:Not so much. But getting back to the song you said you wrote it in July, yeah. And I mean you. Just with everything going on in the world, you felt that you know I need to do this. I need to write something. I need to get together with some friends. Yeah, throw a bunch of ideas out on the table and let's put it together and get a song out of it.
Speaker 2:I was finally pushed to my breaking point. So I kind of let things go until I feel really called or pushed to do something. And, for instance, like I think we talked last time that I wasn't always a songwriter I didn't really feel called to, I didn't feel pushed to. And then I went through my broken engagement and I felt finally felt called and pushed to say something. So I feel I think I'm just the type of person that I you can't really push me to do anything unless I feel pushed to. And this was a song that I was, like I really feel pushed to do this.
Speaker 2:First and foremost, I got started singing by singing the national anthem, and I'm proud to be an American Like I. Those are the songs I started seeing first, before I ever knew what being patriotic meant. So it just feels very full circle for me to have written my own patriotic song and luckily I had, you know, my co-writers when we were together writing this. We all felt this weight on us of everything that's been going on. We're like you know what? Nobody's writing one of these, and I said even more so than just capitalizing on something that nobody's doing. I just felt like I needed to for the sake for me. So, yes, I am kind of I'm proud to say that I'm one of the few that's doing it, but at the same time I'm not proud of that. I'm like why aren't more people being patriotic? And the most thing I can come up with is fear.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of it is fear, but you're putting your fear in a song in hopes of others going. You got to listen to this. She's absolutely right. We need to come together.
Speaker 2:Right, and no matter what, before we put put it out, I made sure to write a you know, a lengthy statement to go along with it before we send it out to people, so that they could kind of know my heart and know where I was. And it's just interesting, because no matter who listens to it if I don't care who you're voting for, you should be able to relate to this song, because it really doesn't. It isn't a party choosing song. It's just not like. Obviously, we all have our own opinions. We're obviously, I mean, I voted, so we know I voted, but that's not the point. So like I'll have people come to me on my social medias and be like well, who are you voting for? You know, and I go. That's not the point of the song, though, and that's really not my place to say.
Speaker 2:I think, as an artist, for me, it's more like I think I should use my platform and my voice to say we should all vote, but I just am not the type of person that wants to be the reason why someone voted for somebody else. I don't want to influence someone in a certain direction. In my opinion, it's more about I want you to get out there and learn what you think is best for you and then you vote. That way. I just I really don't like. Again not hating on any other artists or anybody else, but I really hate when someone kind of tells you how to vote, because that I think just defeats the purpose. I think, if anything, just get people to register and get people to vote. That's the best way that I think you could be influential.
Speaker 1:You're right on Tiffany. You're right on with that. I, I uh, like I started to say earlier, you can't even go. I can't even go to work and have a discussion about, you know, the election.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause I just so remember. I mean, like, mind you, I think the first election I was allowed to vote in, obviously, but when I was 18, was the Romney Obama election, and I was funny because someone asked me in an interview, like when did you start to feel that fear? And I think I was like I think it was around that election, though, because nowhere before that, like even when I watched my mom, no one, no one felt that way, like it wasn't like that. And then all of a sudden, somewhere along the line, it shifted to where we all had to be really scared about, just I mean, goodness gracious, just because we're talking about grocery prices and gas prices and that I don't know why.
Speaker 1:I know exactly exactly. You're a hundred percent correct, it's. It's really sad that it's that way, but this is a song that needs to be heard and heard in a way and you have to understand, it's for everybody, it's not just the left, the right, it's everybody. It's the red, white and blue no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Want to record it because it's the message that's important to me have they, um, have they gone to satellite radio?
Speaker 1:have they gone to any of the major networks and said, hey, you know you need to hear this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we have and, like I said, there's a lot of people that really just kind of won't touch it and that's very sad. Um, I, you know again, I, I respect everybody's decision on what they need to do business wise, but at the end of the day, I mean, my opinion is, is that I find it quite sad that they, they, they even feel that they can't attach themselves to something that just says I'm proud to be an American and I'm really sad that this country is so divided right now.
Speaker 1:But maybe because you have done this and put out American dreamer, uh, maybe it's better for you, maybe it's okay that you're not on. Whatever stations they are, people are going to know, people are going to go. What about Tiffany Voice, that song, that American Dreamer? Why aren't they playing it? It could have that effect, yeah, it could.
Speaker 2:It could push people to play it, and I hope that it, because, first of all, I want this song to have a life way past election day. I think that this is one of those songs that you could literally play year round. This isn't has anything to do with like oh, it has. You know it's over, it's, it's dead and done come november 5th? No, absolutely not. Like I know I'm going to be doing a lot of promoting with it. Come around veterans day too, like there are just things that this song is one of those ones that you could hear fourth of july, veterans day, any, really anytime, and it would make sense yep.
Speaker 1:Do you have plans to get out on veterans day? Do you have any? Are you working on getting some gigs and being able to perform this song? For the truth, we're going to do some interviews and stuff.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be a lot of performing, but I have a lot of. I think I have some things lined up and then I'm also gonna do some like instagram takeovers when it comes to things regarding around that holiday. We're trying to line some things up now. It's been very difficult. I mean, as you would know maybe not listeners would know, but when you release a song so quickly, it's hard to get things lined up the way. I don't think people ever realize the preparation that goes into a song being released. And because this was done so quickly, our options have been quite limited. So we have been really pushing it more, so that online hopefully, it will catch fire somewhere um, online well, did you get to?
Speaker 1:did you use like the tick tock platform or insta or anything?
Speaker 2:yeah, and we're putting this song. I mean, I've been noticing a lot of people putting the song behind videos and things of that nature, which I really love.
Speaker 2:I think I'm going to ask people to put it behind their video maybe of them when they take the picture. You know it's like you didn't do it if you didn't take that picture. So I mean those kinds of things. I think would be really helpful to get just more people to even again hear the song. It has really nothing to do with my name attached to it. It's more about, like, did you hear that song?
Speaker 1:Right, right, but they're gonna want to know. Tiffany voice.
Speaker 2:I mean that would be a wonderful added bonus, but I genuinely I have been saying from the start when I released this song, this song has meant the most to me and because of the message and that it is just so much bigger than me or a breakup song or anything else I've ever done Like, it's the message that I think I'm just genuinely the most proud of.
Speaker 1:Absolutely 100%. And when it comes to putting a pen to paper, now that you are writing songs and your life experiences, that's a hit song right there. I mean, just for those that don't know, and if you don't mind me saying it was six weeks before you were going to get married if I remember right that your significant other said I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1:Yep and it was a total shock to you. But you know, you held your head high and you said screw you, I'm moving up. So you know, and good for you. But you know what? You came out with a song shortly thereafter, if I remember right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a few songs on the EP that was released, but one that I think will go to radio next that I think really people latched onto organically after I released the EP was a song called Took Back and we haven't sent it to radio yet and to me it's my other than American Dreamer.
Speaker 2:It is definitely my most well-crafted song. That is 100% the most vulnerable. It's one of the ones I'm absolutely most proud of and that song, I think think, will eventually continue to have another life because I think people have just realized, I think thought I'm not going to promote it any further but it will be my next song to radio. So I'm very, very, very proud of that song and I still love talking about it and performing it because it's just, it's a huge piece of me and actually when we wrote American Dreamer, we wrote another song then I'm just so wildly proud of. That is about a similar situation but it's actually in a perspective of talking to my dad. So I'm really, really proud of that song and I can't.
Speaker 2:We haven't gone into the studio yet to record it. I think the we've gone in, the musicians have cut their part, but I haven't um recorded my voice yet on it, my vocals. So I'm really excited to cut that, and my dad has, you know, has never heard it. He's doesn't know anything about it, so I'm really, really proud of it. I think it's going to be a good tear jerker and I think it's also something that any father who has daughters will absolutely like. Even if their daughter didn't go through what I went through, they're going to think, they're going to relate to it. You know they're going to be like. I can't even imagine this happening to my daughter.
Speaker 1:Well, I can tell you, if that happened to my daughter, I'd probably be in jail. I'm just you know it's funny.
Speaker 2:Most say that I look at my dad, I go what the he goes. I think we were all just so in shock and I go.
Speaker 1:yeah, probably so, and you know, probably right, yes, but no, we all think about that. We want the best for our daughters. I have three. They've given me eight grandkids, I mean, but if anything ever was to happen like that and I hope they're watching this because I'll- be coming after you? No, yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's just a relationship that's like none other, exactly. And the thing is is when a man comes to you for your daughter's hand in marriage, you're trusting him, right, you know, and I think that's really where I I got the the. The idea was that I was like gosh, it wasn't just me that trusted him, it was my dad that trusted him and that's got it.
Speaker 2:That breaks my heart because I think, like every parent I can't speak upon that because I'm not a parent yet but I can only imagine that if your child's heart breaks, your heart breaks too it does and so that's kind of where this song has come from, and I'm so excited to get that one recorded because I think I never thought I was going to do something that I thought was going to be better than took back. And this is better because at the end of the day, it's actually not focusing on the the butthole that that left me. It's actually a song to my dad, which is far more impactful to me than giving this to me than giving this guy any more breath.
Speaker 1:You know the hell with him. Yeah, exactly, look at you now. Look at you. You're happy, you're you're into another relationship. Life is good, I am. You've got a song from that relays the previous relationship that, by the way, he can you know you could do very well with that, and for a couple of reasons in my opinion, it's a real life experience yeah you know what I mean, and somebody's gonna hear that, because you're not the only one that's been through stuff like that and they're gonna go damn that song's.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what happened to me yeah, and that's exactly why I had written it. It was interesting because I think it might have been even last time we talked, when I went to go write that and record that, there was really no songs out there that I could relate to. You know, and as just because I'm an artist doesn't mean I don't turn to music the way just the average person does to to feel less alone, I do that too. So I was like there's nothing out there that feels like it's telling my story. It's all about either divorces or just breakups. There's no like broken engagement songs. So I was like heck, yeah. And then it's so funny, like right, when I put mine out, other people start doing it too and I go well, clearly we were all going through this at the same time, exactly.
Speaker 1:But still, you know exactly, exactly. So that's, that's cool, Actually, just to kind of refresh everybody a little bit if they haven't seen you on the Skip Happens podcast before. How long have you actually been singing?
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, five years old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You're. If you don't mind me, you're 34 now 34.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Did you just have a birthday?
Speaker 2:It was in July All right, right.
Speaker 1:Well, let me just put it this way I'm double that, so. So, if that'll make you feel any better, absolutely. But so you've been singing since you've been five years of age yeah, five years old, that's cool. National anthem. You said god bless america, stuff like that oh yeah, the lee greenwood song.
Speaker 2:I did that for for um talent shows. I sang the national anthem when I was five years old at a school rally and I mean, I mean I continue to do it for everywhere else and it was just kind of like you. Now I do it as an adult because I've had the you know, the honor to sing the national anthem later on, like not even that long ago at a NASCAR event, and it is so much more nerve wracking.
Speaker 1:You know the toughest song to sing. I know everybody says that, but it's the hardest song to sing and whenever I hear an artist doing it, I'm going oh God, just hope they get it right. I know I'm not in a bad way, it's a met. It's met in a way that you screw up just a little bit, A little bit.
Speaker 2:Little. If you start it just a little too high then you won't be able to hit the other parts. So you have to actually start it way lower than you would naturally want to start a song so that you make sure you can progressively build to hit the Rockets red glare. You got to start a little lower, but what's interesting is you make sure you can progressively build to hit, you know, the rocket's red glare. You gotta, you gotta, start a little lower.
Speaker 2:But what's interesting is, like I it is such an honor every time I've asked to sing that song. I do not take that for granted. However, it is very nerve-wracking. As an adult, I'm so like, before I go up to sing it, if anyone is near me or with me, I'm like don't talk to me, don't talk to me, don't talk to me, don't talk to me, please stop, don't look at me, because I'm like going over it in my head.
Speaker 2:Even though I've sang it thousands of times, I'm still like so zoned in and I remember the last time I sang it such a sweet man, he was a um somebody who was going to be reading a prayer for the audience before he was trying to have a conversation with me before the cameras went live for me and I go, I have to listen to him like he's, he's like this. I can't ignore this man like, and the whole time I'm just looking at him like uh-huh, uh-huh, and it's just crazy because even though I've done it so many times, I still get just so nervous. But I think that also might play a role into the, into the fact of how impactful the song actually is and really what it means to me, and maybe that's why I get so nervous, because it doesn't. It holds a lot of weight. There's you got to take it very seriously, and it gets me very flustered and irritated when someone doesn't take it seriously, cause I was like this is, this is a big deal.
Speaker 1:It's a very big deal. You know, you say when you get ready to sing, for example, the National Anthem, but you're like, get away from me, I got to think about this, I have to concentrate on this, I have to do this and that. But I think I'm the opposite.
Speaker 2:Really, I think it's like okay, I'm not going to think about it. Not that I don't sing the national anthem, god forbid. I do that. I, you know what. I think it would be better off if I did what you did. To be honest with you, I think it would be if I was actually allowed to allow myself to just go, not even focus on it. I think it would. It's kind of like. It's like riding a bicycle you get on it and you just know how to do it.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, when I'm doing the radio stuff and I get on stage, I mean there was a time back in the day where I would think about what I'm going to say Well, how am I, how am I going to walk out on that stage, what am I going to do? I, I would think about that and then I'd get myself so worked up and so, and I get out there and I mess it all up. So I'm better off not to think about it. And you know what? It's my turn to go on stage to do the presents for a show. I just hand me the mic, I walk out. Hey, yeah, and it's just go with it. It is what it is, and those for me come out to be some of the best. I mean, just just wing it.
Speaker 2:For me, if I just get the first lyric out of my mouth, get the first lyric out of my mouth like, if I just like, then it all, it all goes away. It's just the build-up to it. Now I will say I'm far more like you in the sense when I'm doing my podcast, I, I like to, I'm. When I I think it's the talking aspect I feel like I'm so much more comfortable having a conversation. Even though I love to sing and this is what I do, I have way more I feel like to sing and this is what I do. I have way more I feel like nerves on me when I sing versus when I'm talking to somebody. It just feels very natural and comfortable for me and but yet when I'm on stage, I feel very much at home. It's just right, when I get those first words out of my mouth to sing it feels like it all goes away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly so, exactly.
Speaker 1:So. I mean with the podcast, as you know what I do, I don't take 100 notes ahead of time, I don't, I'm not writing a lot down, I just look. Ok, it's Tiffany Wise. Ok, I see. Yep, the new song, great song, blah, blah, blah, blah. Ok, let's go and here we have a conversation because we can play off of each other. Yeah, you know, I can talk about. You know you'll say something, then I'll get my perspective or my opinion on it back. I mean it goes back and forth.
Speaker 2:And all that being said, tell us a little bit about your podcast. Yeah, you know it's funny. I'm starting to get more comfortable with it, like how you are, with having a conversation, I do come in. I used to do question by question, which was a nightmare. I would always I would always fly off of it because I feel like I'm good at at being able to wing it.
Speaker 2:But, now I've I've transitioned now to just bullets of like the top things I know I want to address or want to get, and then I turn it more into the conversation, where and I think that made me have to listen to my guests more because you don't have a show If you don't interact with the guests back after they say something you have to you have to interact in the conversation, but the podcast is going really well, so it's it's called what's mine is yours. It's on its second season right now and it's completely different than what it was first season, which is, uh, terrifying, yet very exciting.
Speaker 2:we're in a studio with a production team nice so I I love that aspect because it keeps me kind of within the lines instead of I like to color outside of lines sometimes, but it keeps me a little bit more organized because there's a clock that's counting me down. I know I can't just do whatever, but at the same time I found, you know, I'm interviewing songwriters for the most part, and since we're not on camera very often, I felt like they might have been a little bit more comfortable in my living room sitting on my couch. So with now lights and cameras and everything on them, I think that it's harder to get what you want out of them. And really who that comes down to. Is that that job comes down to me. That job comes down to how good am I at being able to make someone feel comfortable, safe and kind of almost letting them forget that the cameras and lights are even there, that it's really just me and you sitting here, and that is something that was a challenge.
Speaker 2:But I think I decently have a good read on people and I think that that has really like my God given talents of making people feel like they've known me a long time or that we can just and they can trust me, has been something that has played very well into this role, because I didn't realize how much that would be so important until I realized, like gosh, let me put the shoe on the other foot. When I'm being interviewed, I do better when I feel safe and trusted by the person who's interviewing me. So I have to be that role for somebody else. So I really have loved where it's gone.
Speaker 1:I made sure that our setup is I'm in a chair but they're on a couch so that I can bring a little of a living room kind of back into the studio, feel, yeah, I've actually thought about that a little bit, not to interrupt you, but you know, I have my studio here. This is this is my own studio, but I mean it's an actual podcast studio. But I have a table, as you can see, but I've actually thought about putting a couple of chairs in the corner and it. You know, I'm changing the setup a little bit just to make the guests that do come into the studio, make them feel a little more at home Instead of sitting at this. Well, it's not really a formal table. I got enough shit on this table too. I don't know. I mean everything's baseball and NASCAR and everything else but still, I actually thought about that. So I hear where you're coming from and it sounds like you've had somebody guiding you a little bit too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean it was definitely my team's decision to move into a studio and I'm so glad that I listened to them and went with that direction, because I kind of feel like the format we were doing before. I almost think people felt too comfortable that they were talking for hours and hours and, let's be honest, most podcasts people don't really listen past an hour. It's very difficult to get people to listen, you know. So having this more of a structure has absolutely helped me even become better at what I do, better at the job, and I'm very, very grateful for that, because I feel like I've been able to really grow into this position just so much more than I was just six months ago.
Speaker 1:You know, it's not just I know. You know you being an artist and you got American Dreamer out there. We talked about that, we talked about some of the earlier music, but it's not only you being an artist. Now you're a podcast host, yeah, and now it's like people would go. I think people would go. Oh, she could do that. It's easy, but it's not really.
Speaker 2:No, I think that's so funny now when I hear that, because I might've been even guilty of saying that earlier on Like oh, I could do that.
Speaker 1:No, you can't.
Speaker 2:No, it's so it's. It's way harder than people think not to tear anybody, to tear anybody from trying to do it. I absolutely encourage you to, because I think it makes you step out of your comfort zone. However, I think there's a statistic out. There is, as you know, it's hard to get past the sixth episode. It's the sixth or eighth episode, I forget which one it is, and we're on, I think, episode like 40, something now.
Speaker 2:And it's but when it comes I'm just very lucky. I do have a team that helps me. You know, edit them and film them. If someone does it all on their own, I totally get why you stop after the sixth episode well, there's um.
Speaker 1:You know, you could do it that way. Plus that, the way I do it is, this is what you get true, yeah, absolutely, and I do here this is like you and I raw. This is the real deal and this is what gets posted. I may put a little bit in the beginning, maybe something at the end now, but that's about it.
Speaker 2:I don't want to cut it off, I will say or anything like that. For ours, I mean, I think it's for the sake of clips. Sorry, yep.
Speaker 2:For online and whatnot. So I think they try and edit out as many of the ums or or blank stares that sometimes people have. Like when I asked him a question and they go I got to ponder on that one and I go, okay, we'll edit that out, don't you ponder away. You know like all the time you need. But it's really been a lot of fun and I have found such a huge passion for it that I didn't realize I was gonna have a passion for something equal, if not a little bit more, than singing and being an artist and I feel weird even saying that.
Speaker 2:But I think sometimes the older I, the older I'm becoming, I just realized the reality of some things and I know as much as I want to be an artist and it's something that's really in like deep within my heart. I just know that I can't do that forever and but podcasting I absolutely could.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly A hundred percent. See, you got it down, girl. You know what's going on. The name of the podcast is what again?
Speaker 2:What's Mine is Yours.
Speaker 1:Okay, and where can they?
Speaker 2:can get that from Any platform, yeah, any platform and what's wonderful about it is if you are not interested, say, in songwriting, everyone's into knowing secrets behind the curtain of everything, and that's kind of what we talk about, too is. I'm really hard on my guests and asking them pretty challenging questions about the music industry and hoping that they feel comfortable enough to share.
Speaker 1:So what would be one secret that you could share? I mean, being an artist. What is there like something that you know?
Speaker 2:the average, I like to be really honest about and here's the thing is people. There are certain topics I have found there are three topics in an artist's life that people don't like to talk about because it's just like taboo. It's the idea of fame, money and needing to seek love from other people. For some reason, all of those things feel very creepy for someone to want to talk about. It's like they don't want to admit to any of those things.
Speaker 2:But if we, if you, got really raw, honest artists, that people were just honest and not trying to play a political game in this world of the music industry, they would. If, like they took a truth serum and they were able to just say whatever it would be. Of course they want to be famous, of course they want to make a lot of money and of course they want to seek love from other people. It's the admiration of the recognition of the work they're putting out and the fact that nobody feels comfortable to say that out loud kind of is weird. I don't understand. We all get into this business wanting people to know our names, wanting to make money while doing it and being recognized and loved for the things we do.
Speaker 2:It's so weird that nobody wants to talk about it.
Speaker 2:And the other thing that nobody wants to talk about and I get into it on the podcast with a lot of people is physical dollar signs, Like the fact that this is not cheap to do this, and I think it's okay to say that, because if somebody is listening to this like, say, this show right now, and there is a girl or a guy that wants to be an artist, I'm telling you right now, not only is it a lot of hard work, it's a lot of fun, but it takes a lot of your own financial backing to do so and for some weird reason, that is a taboo topic and you're not supposed to talk about it and it's just like but if I can help somebody else out, or if you're just a fan of music, maybe you'll have way more of an appreciation for independent artists or other people, because you know they're putting their own heart and soul and money into it.
Speaker 2:They're not being backed by anybody there. There's no label backing them. Maybe more people will take notice to smaller artists because they'll know that they're spending a lot of money to do this.
Speaker 1:And you know, I mean with my own podcast here, skip Happens, I'd like to concentrate and focus on the independents, like yourself. Yeah, there's nobody behind you. You know what? What I mean? You don't have the big label. Yeah, you're independent, and that's why I mean I do get some of the big artists on, quite a few actually, but I get even more of the independents and I want them to be heard, I want their name to get out there. I want to, you know, let the viewers or the listeners know where they can go and get the music, because, I'll tell, some of the independents are better than some of the well-established artists that are out there. And you've just heard that on Skip Happens, I'm just telling you I have a lot of friends that are major artists, but you know, yeah, many are so freaking awesome. It's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know there's others that you know Well, and we talk about again on my podcast too about the lack of substance in music right now and it's how it's kind of scary there. I don't know which guests I talked about this with, but I did bring up a very monumental point and I googled the other day what's the last most you know influential thing that's happened in country music in the last five years, because I really want to know.
Speaker 2:Well, everywhere you look, guess what comes up. Fast, car Luke Combs. That freaked me out and before anyone jumps down my throat and makes me think I'm saying anything hateful to Luke Combs or Tracy Chapman, I'm not.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:What concerns me is that that is a cover and you're telling me the most influential thing that's come from our genre is not even an original song.
Speaker 1:See, how can that be, you're right.
Speaker 2:We are in trouble, and I'm not saying Luke did a phenomenal job on something I'm pretty sure it would have been one song of the year, which again scares me.
Speaker 1:Like that song already had a moment right.
Speaker 2:So while I'm so glad it got airplay and it became big all over again for Tracy and for Luke, that's wonderful but what about all of the original content that should be being made? That should be making an impact? What in the world is happening in our genre?
Speaker 1:god, I love you. You're like hitting it right on the head.
Speaker 2:You want what tells me, though, and what scares me about that even more so, was was that the best that people had to pick from?
Speaker 2:And that's what, like again, luke did a great job almost too good of a job to where that was the best our listeners had to pick from in five years that we are lacking in quality music that makes an impact in people. Like, we're constantly getting in the rooms trying to write the next quick hit that we can just throw out to radio as fast as we can so we can get charted, and we're forgetting the songs that need to last a lifetime the songs like the chair, the songs like the dance songs, like you know, like all songs that really, I mean the last song when I was really looking it up, the last song that had a lot of impact, that I thought and I think this was in 2016 humble, humble and Kind. That is the last song that I think right now has had an immense amount of impact and lasting power. So, yes, there are a lot of good songs that are coming out every day that we're hearing, but what's the lasting power they're going to have? Are you going to remember them 10 years from now?
Speaker 1:That's a problem we have right now, especially with a lot of the artists that are hitting the top of the charts, especially with a lot of the artists that are hitting the top of the charts, not to mention names, but we all know who they are. Yeah, are we going to know these people five years from now?
Speaker 2:And personally I'm going to give you my opinion I don't think so.
Speaker 2:So I think labels are doing a thing right now they're taking the most viral things and artists right now they're signing them, they're releasing the music.
Speaker 2:It's going great, it's hitting the charts, they're making a ton of money and then you're going to see a new cycle of artists all over again and it's going to be fast food music, fast food artists. It's going to be coming in and it's not the artist's fault. I'm sure they would probably have a ton of potential and be able to soar, but I'm not sure that the industry is going to give them a chance to Wow, chance to wow. So I think it's going to be up to the, the audience and the listener to vote with our pocketbooks and things like that to really create long-lasting careers for people. So if you really believe in somebody, make sure you get out there, see their shows, buy their music, stream their music, because I'm not sure we are in an area in a time right now, where artists are going to last very long right, I would agree yeah my god, you just put you took skip happens podcast to the right to the edge.
Speaker 1:It's like wow, but you are, I would have to agree with you. I mean, you know it's good to disagree, but I don't disagree with you. I'm agreeing with you that that, yeah, that's what's happening. Yeah, I had no idea and I'm gonna have to. I'll check that out when we get done tonight. But uh, wow, that really got me thinking.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, yeah, I think the one that came beneath that what people were saying on google was, luckily, an original song. It was morgan wallens last night, so and I think because that crossed so many um genres- on radio and whatnot. So that was the one that was next to talk about, but it was. It was fast car and I just was really disturbed by that, and not because it's not a great song, of course it is, or it wouldn't have been big all over again I mean wow, I mean it was incredible.
Speaker 2:I love the Luke Combs version and the Tracy Chapman version. I love both, but I just think that what are we doing, as as as a genre, wrong? That song of the year is a song that's already had a moment in a life, like what's going on in our music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you think the the label thinks about that?
Speaker 2:That's a really good point. I know who I need to have more on my show is people from labels. The show is meant more for the songwriter and I'm not so sure people who work at a label would be willing to have a very open and honest vulnerable conversation right.
Speaker 1:I think you would have to be careful in what they're saying, because it's not all about how good a song is. It's about how much money that song is going to make absolutely.
Speaker 2:And the other thing that concerns me a lot with and I think we're slowly transitioning out of the tiktok star. I think we're kind of, I think we're almost past that, um, but what concerns me about these people who make reels and everything that go viral online and then labels say sign them. Because of this moment where they can make a lot of money off of a person, try putting that person in front of 30,000 people. They've been singing in their bedroom. What happened to the progressive ladder that an artist had to climb to, where it really did create a long, lasting career? This is another reason why I think you're going to see artists be really hot and then really cold because they did not climb the ladder that we, that everyone else naturally really had to climb and really get their boots dirty doing everything else they needed to do to get to this position and, all of a sudden, their hands, all this greatness and they don't know what to do with it wow, no, I agree.
Speaker 1:Look at you. That's why the podcast is so great, because you get both perspectives being an artist and now somebody talking about the issues and and the way music is being made and the thoughts on music.
Speaker 2:And nowadays you know it, just it's kind of all over the place well, you also get to learn too, like I get to learn on the podcast, and I don't push I think I knew better at like a sense of journalism and a sense of pushing a little harder on my guests. But I also want people to feel comfortable and safe, right, I don't want to feel like I'm trying to corner them into anything, but I will notice very quickly when I ask maybe a tougher question, where they give me the more political correct answer and you know, and then I realized, oh my gosh, they then they still think they have, they have something to lose, right, like they're scared someone's watching and they need to make sure they say the right thing and I go. But the problem is we're not going to create any change and nothing's going to get any better if more people don't decide to just be honest.
Speaker 1:True, wow, that's a podcast. You can say whatever you want, but you're right, you don't know who's gonna watch it at one time or another.
Speaker 2:It could be a few weeks down the road, it could be a couple of years down the road, absolutely, and I'm talking to people who have very big careers right and I think that they still have a lot on the line and I respect that so much.
Speaker 1:But I would also really love and respect if people just said you know, hey, yeah, this is how it is yeah, did you ever think about getting, uh, maybe some radio execs on your podcast and say you know, why is it?
Speaker 2:you play certain songs, you don't play others I see, and I think that would be really fun to do, so I might be calling you playing my song.
Speaker 1:I mean not that you know, it's up to you if you play it or not. I I understand that and I respect that, but why?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. You know it's funny. I think I'm going to start so. I think so. We now have all of our guests for season two there, but I think I might start doing okay, season three will be people who are label strictly only like. Season four will be radio only, you know, or mixing in a few other things, because I think getting the perspective from all parts is really really interesting. And what's great about label people or radio people? We can still talk about songwriting, we can still talk about the impact of what that means to the industry, and I believe that everyone will have a different version of what that is. And I think it will still be very great for the podcast. I think that we can still keep it songwriter focused, but now we just get the perspective from other people in the industry it's always a different angle, that's all.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, you get different opinions, which is cool, and I already know that my phone's going to be ringing tomorrow. It's going to be jr and it's going to be jay, and uh, they're going to be. What did you say last night? Sure, they're going to be watching this as soon as I officially post this, even even though we're live on YouTube right now. But yeah, I know my phone's going to ring, but it's all good, it's all good.
Speaker 2:I think you know I always make sure that, like my team, I think at this point they know me so well now that they trust whatever I'm going to say, because I do feel like I say I, I have a. I think I have a decent way with words. I don't try to go out of my way to offend anybody and I try to make sure that what I say I can back 110% and I try to be as educated as I can on any topic before I really kind of throw my you know my name into the hat with the conversation. I like to make sure that I know what I'm talking about, versus just people who you know say anything just to say it. I really do take my time to think about these topics and educate myself on them before I come to a forum like yours to speak about them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, awesome, awesome, let's back it up a little. We're going backwards. American Dreamer, that's the song, that's what we started with tonight, yes, and then we went off and talked about you know your previous life, so to speak. And then, of course, we talked about the podcast, which I absolutely love, and I will say one thing I mean this is in my own home, this is my own studio, this is my land, my cave. You know what I mean? I got a voiceover booth over there, I've got, you know, a vocal booth over there and I've got the podcast table over here. This is my future.
Speaker 1:So I don't have to be doing radio the rest of my life. I have something to fall back on. I've made great connections. Obviously, I have a lot of connections in Nashville, met great people like yourself, and I know if I called and said I need somebody to come on tonight, you would do it in a second. Absolutely, you know what I mean. So it's just those relationships that really this is my life, this is my world and this is what I love. And I get to talk about American dreamer, which we have an election, I know if you watch this, like within the next day or so. I want to say less than two weeks it's going to be election day. She's got. I voted sticker on her. See it right there. That's right. I voted Early voting. I don't think we can do that here yet.
Speaker 2:Oh really I didn't know that was.
Speaker 1:I don't know I could be See I don't know a lot about did. I talked to somebody today and I said hey, so you're going to vote, right? No, why aren't you going to vote? Because I'm not even registered to vote. I said why. I said you know what? And this is I mean. I know we're supposed to talk about music here.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was like wait a minute, wait whoa, whoa. So you can bitch about everything that's going on, but you don't want to vote. So if you don't vote, she goes. I'm just one person, no, don't you? You realize?
Speaker 2:Oh, I hate that.
Speaker 1:My vote doesn't matter. Every single vote matters. It all adds up and I'm like you know what you need to vote.
Speaker 2:You need to get.
Speaker 1:Well, it is yeah, yeah, yeah it's like when she told me that today I'm like I hate you. Well, I don't, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's like no, I mean because it's our american duty. We fought for those rights and we should not take them for granted. It's something that it's. It literally is our american duty and right to vote. And you're absolutely right. It's very hard to listen to somebody complain about the way things are going in this world, but yet they don't use their voice at the ballot box. Like it doesn't make any sense to me and I'm very irritated with people that do that or the people that just say well, the only thing that I can even come up with it if someone says I don't believe in either candidate, so I can't vote. So I'm like that's the closest thing I can get to a good excuse.
Speaker 1:That's not even an excuse.
Speaker 2:It's really not, because, at the end of the day, one of them is going to be.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:I mean you've got to you might as well get to do your own homework and do some research and look up what aligns with you the best and get out there and still do your American duty.
Speaker 1:With American Dreamer. You can play the music. You can play the song in the car as you're heading to the polls. It's not a political song Don't take it that way but it's for everybody. It's being American. It's all about just being an American. It doesn't matter what side you're on. It's being American. It's all about just being an American. It doesn't matter what side you're on. It's a great song. It's a great song. So, yeah, I voted.
Speaker 2:I keep looking at that because I don't know, I know I forgot to even take it off, but now I kind of feel like it needs to stay on, let's figure a long line. Oh yeah, I waited about an hour.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's in Nashville. Yeah, so and I I talked to a friend today and she said she waited two hours. Really. But and you know what's funny is, I've never waited in a line before, so which means clearly people are taking this one pretty dang seriously, which I I mean I love to see, and whatever got people out to vote more.
Speaker 1:So be it. Good, Good good Tiffany Wise. The song is American Dream dreamer.
Speaker 2:If you don't have it and you want to get it. Where can they get it? On all platforms, you can stream it, you can buy it. Whatever you got to do, I highly suggest listening to it.
Speaker 1:Even if you didn't like me as an artist, you'll like the message we love you as an artist thank you down on that and, uh, of course, call the radio stations as well and say, hey, yeah tiffany wise's, if you don't look her up, if you do play american dreamer.
Speaker 2:So yes, and if you have the abilities to make, if you ever film things around your house, whatever you put up videos, use it. The sound in the background on all the videos.
Speaker 1:You should do a Tiffany voice contest with that. Like you could send them an autographed mug or the. You know I mean.
Speaker 2:I should do something along these lines because, I mean, I think we're going to keep trying to push this song all the way through the new year. So, even though election will be over, it really doesn't matter. Like I said, I think the message is is a forever thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the election's going to be over, but will it really be over?
Speaker 2:I think, either way this goes, I think we're going to see some, and I think that's even more so for the song to be relevant is I think we're going to see some ugliness from no Matter who Wins, and I think even more so, stream American dreamer.
Speaker 1:There it is Reason to do it. Tiffany was uh, thank you for coming on tonight. Um, no, hanging out on skip happens, so good to see you.
Speaker 2:It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 1:I can't wait till uh, you know we'll be in Nashville in February. I don't know if you're going to be around or not. Nashville in February, I don't know if you're going to be around or not, of course I will the Country Radio Seminar. So we got to make sure we, you know, get a beer or something.
Speaker 2:I would just absolutely love that.
Speaker 1:We'll go down to Bar Lines in the Omni. We'll do it, let's do it and talk about life and talk about your music. But thank you so much for joining us here tonight on Skip Happens.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much.
